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TITAN Hi-Lo Suspension; Custom make suspension for Avanza
Topic Started: Jan 24 2006, 05:07 PM (7,275 Views)
ocmax
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[size=10]TITAN SUSPENSION HI-LO KIT SET[/size]

1. WITH 2 YEARS WARRANTY
2. NO TUNING CHARGES BETWEEN 90 DAYS AFTER INSTALLATION
3. CUSTOM MAKE TO SUITE THE DRIVER DESIRE SETTING

SOme may ask this question....

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1. what time does TiTAN shop open daily ?
2. open sunday as well ?
3. how long (how many hours) does it takes for installation
(coilover set), and tuning on the same day ?
4. how early need to make appointment with u ?
5. how long after installatin we can come back for a free tuning ?

Answers below:

1. Mon to Sat from 9AM to 6PM
2. No
3. Usually 3 to 4 hours
4. At least 2 days in advance
5. Within 90 days[/size]


Arrived to Titan workshop at 9.20am this morning, before I continue the report I would like to share something interesting with you guys. New Suspension system is for AE86 and Vios, where Mr. Richard design and modify the Stock Spring and Absorbers to Hi-Lo kit set...:D. I think most of the guys know what I mean¡­.:D

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OK. Before they dismantle my original absorber & spring I took all this photos to share with you guys. So next time we can remember which is where¡­:D. Check out the original height of the stock absorber and spring. Look carefully on the distant between the stock spring coils.

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After they jack up my car I found something interesting to show you guys. Which is the bump stop.. Our bump stop is a type of solid rubber to prevent the spring and absorber to hit each other or any other metal parts which is too near. But this bump stop actually is too hard and low for those like me going to lower the car suspension, this were the advice from the Sifu. So will have to dismantle for the new absorber and lowering purpose because if not it will hit the so call bodyroll bar later or axel. But before dismantling the bump stop actually had hit the axel before, you can see the black rubber mark there.

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The mechanics started to dismantle the original absorber and spring, and here¡¯s the stock absorber and Titan.

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The new Front Hi-low kit, at first they help me to install a 3.5kg Coils Spring for the front.

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The new Rear absorber with the original stock spring, they cannot use the Hi-low kit at the back because our Avanza already have something act like Antiroll bar behind and is blocking the Hi-low kit to install there. My mistake that I told your guys it will use an adjustable absorber back there but in these case even if they use the adjustable type is useless because won¡¯t make any difference and costly. But later Mr. Richard will try to modify a Hi-low kit for our Avanza. If that successful, it will be great to have, because it can play like the front suspension to suite our desire setting.

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After the first installation, the mechanics adjust and tune the alignment. The 1st test drive¡­.:D .. Mr. Richard drove the car and I'm at the passenger seat.

The mechanics started to dismantle the original absorber and spring, and here¡¯s the stock absorber and Titan.

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The new Front Hi-low kit, at first they help me to install a 3.5kg Coils Spring for the front.

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The new Rear absorber with the original stock spring, they cannot use the Hi-low kit at the back because our Avanza already have something act like Antiroll bar behind and is blocking the Hi-low kit to install there. My mistake that I told your guys it will use an adjustable absorber back there but in these case even if they use the adjustable type is useless because won¡¯t make any difference and costly. But later Mr. Richard will try to modify a Hi-low kit for our Avanza. If that successful, it will be great to have, because it can play like the front suspension to suite our desire setting.

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After the first installation, the mechanics adjust and tune the alignment. The 1st test drive¡­.:D .. Mr. Richard drove the car and I'm at the passenger seat.

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1st test drive result 9/9/05 ¨C 2 people

1. Cars lower around 30mm at the front & 25mm for the rear only.
2. As passenger I felt the bounciness reduce around 40%. The rear re-bounce shorten but still felt obvious re-bounce.
3. Body roll - Reduces 40%
4. Comfort ¨C Gain 20%
5. Change driver - Me..:D
6. Handling ¨C Gain 40%
7. Stability ¨C Gain 30%
8. Bumpiness ¨C Increase 5%
9. Gripping ¨C Gain 20%

When back to the work shop to retune to my desired setting. So Mr. Richard instructed the mechanic to change the front Coils Spring to 4kg type and set the rear 10% stiffer.

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2nd test drive result 9/9/05 ¨C Me alone¡­:D
(note: After 1 week driving, the result given had to revise)

1. Cars lower around 25mm at the front & 25mm for the rear.
2. Bounciness reduces around 80%. The rear re-bounce shorten much more and no obvious re-bounce.
3. Body roll - Reduces 85% - I press pretty fast to a sharp corner and release the OD as I have done that before but previously the whole car with the speed I try swing out but now the car is very stable.
4. Comfort ¨C Gain 40%
5. Handling ¨C Gain 60%
6. Stability ¨C Gain 60%
7. Bumpiness ¨C Increase 15%
8. Gripping ¨C Gain 60%


3rd test drive with new setting result 17/9/05 ¨C Tested with 3 passengers

1. Cars lower around 25mm at the front & 25mm for the rear.
2. Bounciness reduces around 80%. The rear re-bounce shorten much more and no obvious re-bounce.
3. Body roll - Reduces 80% - I press pretty fast to a sharp corner and release the OD as I have done that before but previously the whole car with the speed I try swing out but now the car is very stable.
4. Comfort ¨C Gain 60%
5. Handling ¨C Gain 60%
6. Stability ¨C Gain 60%
7. Bumpiness ¨C Reduce to 5%
8. Gripping ¨C Gain 60%

11th new setting tested with 6 passenger and me the driver - 21/11/05

1. Cars lower around 35mm at the front & 35mm for the rear.
2. Bounciness reduces around 100%. The rear re-bounce shorten much more and no obvious re-bounce.
3. Body roll - Reduces 100% - I press pretty fast to a sharp corner and release the OD as I have done that before but previously the whole car with the speed I try swing out but now the car is very stable.
4. Comfort ¨C Gain 60%
5. Handling ¨C Gain 70%
6. Stability ¨C Gain 70%
7. Bumpiness ¨C Reduce to 5%
8. Gripping ¨C Gain 70%


I¡¯m written this reviewis on my own so nothing to do with promoting the Titan suspension.

This is totally base on my individual and up to my driving skills and sensitive feeling.

If you ask me whether is worth the money, I will answer you YES.. To me safety to my family life is more important then money, Try to think this way.

Result tested by member's and comment

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Eskay Posted: 10 Sep 2005, 10:01 AM  

QUOTE (AvanzaSilver @ 9 Sep 2005, 06:59 PM)
Must test drive le this sunday... hehehe.... Sifu Ocmax, can I take Queue No 1?

Cheers..  

Tested his Titan last night  no more bouncy feeling!!! Really made a lot of diff.
But yet to test on full load, surprisingly the body height only reduced by 25mm only. 


Now he is a Titan owner too...... :P

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AvanzaSilver   Posted: 12 Sep 2005, 12:37 PM  

Hmm..Ok.. I'm just feel like driving the car like saloon car, when come to coner is stable enough although i'm tested myself .

Overall height of the car not much different, Less bouncies.. but not dare to go high speed on corner cos car can't stop that faster la..(maybe i have installed the mechenical abs). but overall for me is good, cos when come to conering and u can feel the car absorber is hard like driving Altis.. wun shake ma... 

Worth of installing...but no bullet right now     


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BHL8004 Posted: 13 Sep 2005, 12:44 PM  

Hi all,

Last sunday already tested ocmax's car with the new suspension of TITAN spring and abosrber. What I can say from the test drive is the suspension is so good and the driving feel like you are driving a saloon car. Body roll, Bounciness all gone, so great maaaa...... plus good noise insulations, driving ocmax's car really feel like driving BMW maaaa..... not bising and no vibarations like your handphone
     
Thanks ocmax........


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n00bi3 Posted: 18 Sep 2005, 07:02 PM  

if only my budget would allow me... sobz sobz.. kena poison so deep already..   

i'll be saving money to get titan absorber & spring kit... sat in 'sifu' ocmax's car yesterday.. the feeling was like.. something i never had in my BABY with stock spring & absorber...

like what 'sifu' ocmax said.. it gives us confidence when we're driving..  



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ocmax Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 07:45 PM  

QUOTE (ocmax @ 22 Sep 2005, 11:01 AM)
QUOTE (penguin_bar @ 22 Sep 2005, 09:54 AM)
QUOTE (ocmax @ 21 Sep 2005, 08:00 PM)

You are not alone bro....  ...those in my car last saturday also kena the Titan Drug...      ...but we have Dr. here....and his name is Spring....     

Well said bro. Once kena the drug, you don't realise what you have committed to buy. Soon when you regain your consciousness, all that you realise is where have all the money gone?

But sometime during the hypnotisation  , we lost the receptivity to direction when a detour to affordability is being made. That is where the Dr will be consulted.  

Bro...Too me it depend how you look into this upgrade. Like I mention before safety is more important, especially traveling with our family. How much is RM2k + compare with the life on board¡­?? If you really look into this consent, well maybe the term I use here is ridicules but is the fact on life.


Just my 2 cent....

I would like to explain more about why I always say the safety is more important and how or why a good suspension is related.

If you are a sensitive driver and use to drive MPV or higher type of cars, maybe you can understand easier.

1. Before - Normally when we come to a corner¡­ we will feel the car body roll to another side when our speed is faster.. This doesn¡¯t mean that you are speeding. Maybe the speed is only 20-40km/h, but still you can obviously felt the body rolling. Maybe you will say. Hey¡­! I won¡¯t drive fast or not a fast driver. We cannot predict accident happen and not always driving fast that cause the accident happen. Sometime is because we need to avoid accident happen and we are force to Over/Under steer to avoid the incoming object or avoid hitting something. By doing this, body roll will happen. Without good suspension, your car will lose traction due to one of the tire is higher level with the ground that cause the gripping lose.

After ¨C Doesn¡¯t felt the car is controlling me anymore and gain back the confident when come to cornering with even higher speed at 40-60km/h. changing to the Titan suspension doesn¡¯t mean that it won¡¯t happen in higher speed but at least the percentage is lesser. And changing the better suspension


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avanza zeus   Posted: 24 Sep 2005, 01:03 AM  

Dear Avanza Fans

I do of course agree with our Mr Sifu OCMAX. I totally agree that it IS THE BEST Shocks and springs for this Avanza of mine. I write with great knowledge in this matter as I, the MASTER SIFU have already been totterring along with it installed for the past seven months! All states in this peninsula have been ridden and tested well, while the corners are amazingly easier to handle. Very good road handling indeed.
Don't take my word for it, OCMAX, if YOURS is the first to be equipted with the TITAN. I'm afraid our friend Michael (owner of TITAN) will vouch all that is stated here. I, my friend, am indeed THE FIRST to install it. I waited while Michael did the adjustment and came out with the blueprint for my Avanza.

BYE!

Oh.... and if you want the optimum out of the TITAN, very simple indeed. Change the tyres to Michelin. They go together like love and marriage, baby in a carriage......etc.n 


The very 1st Avanza onwer using Titan

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jaycee Posted: 26 Sep 2005, 11:37 AM  

ocmax,

thanks for trusting me and letting me drive your baby... i very nearly wanted to drive home with it  but then i worry that i dun know how to start your engine, after shutting it, so i decided to return.  

well, the ride was superb. much improvements made to reduce that stock bouncy feel.

BUT ... price is beyond my budget at the moment  will see how later... i've just made booking on new home, so getting very tight oledi...

anyway, thanks for everything..

really appreciate your generosity 


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shellhelix Posted: 3 Oct 2005, 09:24 AM  

Dear ocmax at last, finally got the titan syndrome cured but half la (change the front suspension only).

Why i change the front suspension and not rear?

Based on my finding, cause of bounciness is not because of the rear suspension alone. It might also caused by front spring and absorber.

My previous setting
1. Front - Spring - Gab, Absober - Stock
2. Rear - Spring - Gab, Absorber - Gab

My new setting
1. Front - Titan Spring (5kg Spring), Absorber - Titan Adjustable Absorber
2. Rear - Spring - Gab, Absorber - Gab (actually want to change to Titan but budget ..........sob..sob  )

Mr. Richard was very freindly, very helpful, very knowlegable. At first i wonder it takes so long to install the suspension and after 'cari-cari & tengok-tengok' for a while i knew that the suspension need to be manufactured first after he test your car (seems like i'm in racing car design shop).

After installation finish, he test several time and made some adjustment and voila.. like driving a saloon car. VERY HAPPY TO JOIN THIS TITAN GROUP. Sampai tak tau nak kata apa wooo.

Anyway, for those who look forward to replace suspension, this is the best solution (eventhough it is quite costly but hey u don't have to change the whole suspension maaa)..

p/s ocmax i saw 2 sets of avanza front absorber. itu u punya kaaa?? 


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KevinKM Posted: 5 Oct 2005, 04:41 PM  

done my titans today...very satisfy with it lol...my avanza handling now looks more like my friends EP3 Honda Civic Type-R ^^...very good handling and responsive on the road...don't feel bumpy that much anymore when i pass over the bump 


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nickckw Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 11:21 AM  
Tried Ocmax & Kevin's Titan at TT yesterday.  ....when comes to bump....the car is solid  no bounce...   only thing is......expensive   


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penguin_bar Posted: 11 Oct 2005, 05:23 PM  

I will like to thank Sifu Ocmax for his kindness and helpfulness in driving his Avanza, taking me along for a test-drive during Central's trip to southern.

Even though it was a short journey but he managed to demonstrate to me some of the wonderful things that he had installed - thanks to his driving skills. I experienced the mechanical ABS brake effectiveness and the Titan spring left me mouth-watery for a long time until it is flooding here in my office while I am writing this.

While I was in his car, for one moment I forgot that I was actually in Avanza. It appeared to me like sitting in a Sedan. He pressed the brake within a distance which I would never, never dare to re-act with my Avanza. Oh! Well, I did listen to his ICE but a man is created with only a limited number of climax to be experienced at the same time so I ended remembering the ride most for the demonstration of Titan and mechanical ABS. Truly, I felt safer and more comfortable in his Avanza.

The effects were still with me when I drove back with my Avanza. I sometimes thought I was in a sedan but there went the first bounce and I quickly got back to the reality of Avanza simply because it was not Ocmax's Avanza but mine. I am sure his Avanza should be the cynosure of all tastes and feels.

So it went, that night, I had got all the monetary arithmetic playing in my mind with a make believe algorithm. Sooner or later I would have mine. 


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penguin_bar Posted: 20 Oct 2005, 05:04 PM 

Heart-breaking, »ÒÐÄ (Mandarin), Sakit Hati (Malay), ohk hak (Thai), Robek Hati (Indonesian), buro-kunha-to (Japanese),

This thread is created to express Avanzarian's dissatisfaction with the performance of Avanza's suspension.

I believe Toyota Japan CEO do have a computer in his office whereby if a link to this forum is being given to him, he would be able to see dissatisfied customers here in Malaysia.

The bounciness problem with Avanza is so serious that I have decided to sell it.

It is very tiring having to give unduly constant focus and attention on the road while driving Avanza. I always think that either I will be crashing the car or the passengers I have with me will eventually needing medical treatment for backache. This gives me a lot of heartache. Pregnant women might miscarriage or give birth before full-term.

Vehicles behind me might think I just got my driving license yesterday. You have to drive it very carefully until they overtake you and cut you dangerously to express their impatient. Driving Avanza is just like a horse riding in urban areas. It gives me the honour to become a city Cowboy. Whip ! Whip ! Slash ! Slash! "Heeeeiiiiiiiyaaaaaah ! Go-go Bozai ! Go-go Avanzai!'

If nothing is done to this problem, then we can effectively remove all the other 6 seats in Avanza and turn it into a mini caravan and drive through 'Home ! Home on the range!'

So I decided to sell my Avanza. But wait a second. With UMW Malaysia playing deaf on the plight of Avanza bounciness (their Service Center have the 'It is like that' syndrome), it is very fortunate for us to have avid Avanzarians finding various ways and means to solve this bounciness problem. So there we go, we have Dr Spring, Eibach, Titan, among other attempts to solve the problem.

As for me I am chosing Titan as my solution. Finally I find that real hope is there. I go for Titan simply because it is being customised to solve the very problem of Avanza. It has been proven to work and we can readily test the effectiveness of it - courtesy of our kind members. It is no longer a question of trying but simply using. This to me is a long term solution as opposed to an interim solution while experimentation is trying to make progress.

Does Titan sound like Satan? To me that is not an exact rhyme for Titan really reminds me of the movie Titanic. I don't remember Titanic for its sinking, but I remember it most for the love in it and all of a sudden the song My Heart Will Always Go On, come to mind. I have changed the lyrics somehow and would like to dedicate this to Toyota UMW Malaysia and all TOCM members here. Let's enjoy it just for a laugh......

MY AVANZA WILL ALWAYS MOVE ON

Every night in my dreams
I see you. I feel you.
That's how Avanza should move on.

Come across the Titan
so precious, bewitch us
That's how Avanza should move on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the bounce just goes on
Once more you open the door
And Titan's here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

Blur can touch one's mind
but won't last a lifetime
And money let go till all 're gone

Love was when I see you
in my car I placed you
And Avanza always move on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the bounce now are gone
Once more you open the door
And you're here in my Vanza
And my Vanza will move on and on

You're here, there's nothing I fear,
And I know that my car will move on
We'll stay forever this way
I am safe with this coil spring
And my Vanza will go on and on

emmmm....emmmmm....emmmmmmmmmm

- Sang by Shilling Gone (Original Artis Celine Dion - all money spend liao...even shillings also gone)

And remember in the movie whereby the Hero said to the Heroine, "You jump, I jump" ?
Now we can say similar thing to our Avanza like a hero-hero talk to our babe, "You bounce, I lagi bounce."
Then if your passengers complaint or nag, just say to them, 'You bounce, I lagi bounce.'

So whatever solution you are going for, all the best to you. Meanwhile, if you are having this heart-break, express it here.

Adios my friends.
Cheers
PB. 


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SF.Blue_Avanza Posted: 5 Nov 2005, 09:45 AM  

QUOTE (ocmax @ 5 Nov 2005, 08:25 AM)
You better go to titan to mod the rear struct-bar as plan. Richard got the screw mounting to do that already....     

I think you don't understand Avanza suspension structure well. The Rear long shaft have a bar act like anti-roll is forcing the right hand side tire to jack out 20mm. Especially when you have a sport rim installed without matching the original PCD it will happen when you lower the car. Unless we modify this bar or install back the original rim.

one more think. kelvinKM car is always with 90kg additional load.....     

TQ

Ok, probably I did not ask proper enough, put it this way for my wife Avanza :

70% - she drives it alone
25% - with the whole family (3 adults + 2 kids, total about 200kg)
4% - with one more passenger from the above
1% - another one more from the above

If the chances to hit the fender is only the aforesaid 1%, okay for me. So it seems still possible to get the E36 320 spring instead of the 318 one, right ?

For a ordinary user like me who seeks for both comfort and slight performance, I do not see the need of heavily modifying the car to have the best of both world. And YES, I did spent quite some money on it simply because I could not find a sifu like bro OCMAX here 

I wish I could have a chance and family support like bro PB to go KL, unfortunately not everything you do your the other half will like it, even it's good for them. That's life

Neither I see a need for me to understand every structure of the car well enough to solve the bouncy or guk guk problem.

UPDATED @ 06/11/2005 :

yeah the guk guk problem solved !     

It was the bloody screw at the bottom of titan shocks! For unknown reason, the screw is loosen, just got it tightened and the sound is gone !  Just before solving I bought a set of BMW E320i spring, so the end result after the sound gone is pretty good. Achieve both comfort and pretty good handling!


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ocmax Posted: 16 Nov 2005, 06:38 PM  

Personal advice

Please think before you mod the suspension setting.

1. What is the weight load you think that you always carried? Estimated 250kg ????

2. If this is your weight load. Your setting will need to follow the 250kg; because the permanent setting will cause the comfort. Is a chain effect. If you think because sometime you might need to carried full load (350kg) and due to this you might want the configuration to suite that if possible. That¡¯s wrong. (My advice. That load is not permanent, and if you set the suspension to suite that, then you will lose the comfort and must follow the stock height.

3. If you want a good look for your car (lowered). Then you don¡¯t need to think that you can get comfort with full load because the suspension will need to configure as hard as possible. If not it will hit the fender trim or bump stop. This is because our Avanza is not design with a good clearance space in the fender area. The max height can go is 1.5 inches. You can see some saloon car is very low but can still remain comfort. This is because the clearance is very high. From side view the tire and fender like very near. Maybe 20mm but the internal fender and tire clearance might be 5 inches.

4. You need to understand the cartelistic about the suspension need to have before you intend to lowered your car.

So please take this as consideration.

TQ 


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Eskay Posted: 24 Nov 2005, 09:04 PM  

To those who wish to know more about TITAN. We have tested earlier in town and highway with different speed, the result was very encouraging. Again tested during GTT up and downhill, very stable. No doubt tyre play a big roll, but TITAN is really effective and proven in this case.



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ONCE UPON A TIME.....
Heart-breaking, (Mandarin), Sakit Hati (Malay), ohk hak (Thai), Robek Hati (Indonesian), buro-kunha-to (Japanese),

This thread is created to express Avanzarian's dissatisfaction with the performance of Avanza's suspension.

I believe Toyota Japan CEO do have a computer in his office whereby if a link to this forum is being given to him, he would be able to see dissatisfied customers here in Malaysia.

The bounciness problem with Avanza is so serious that I have decided to sell it.

It is very tiring having to give unduly constant focus and attention on the road while driving Avanza. I always think that either I will be crashing the car or the passengers I have with me will eventually needing medical treatment for backache. This gives me a lot of heartache. Pregnant women might miscarriage or give birth before full-term.

Vehicles behind me might think I just got my driving license yesterday. You have to drive it very carefully until they overtake you and cut you dangerously to express their impatient. Driving Avanza is just like a horse riding in urban areas. It gives me the honour to become a city Cowboy. Whip ! Whip ! Slash ! Slash! "Heeeeiiiiiiiyaaaaaah ! Go-go Bozai ! Go-go Avanzai!'

If nothing is done to this problem, then we can effectively remove all the other 6 seats in Avanza and turn it into a mini caravan and drive through 'Home ! Home on the range!'

So I decided to sell my Avanza. But wait a second. With UMW Malaysia playing deaf on the plight of Avanza bounciness (their Service Center have the 'It is like that' syndrome), it is very fortunate for us to have avid Avanzarians finding various ways and means to solve this bounciness problem. So there we go, we have Dr Spring, Eibach, Titan, among other attempts to solve the problem.

As for me I am chosing Titan as my solution. Finally I find that real hope is there. I go for Titan simply because it is being customised to solve the very problem of Avanza. It has been proven to work and we can readily test the effectiveness of it - courtesy of our kind members. It is no longer a question of trying but simply using. This to me is a long term solution as opposed to an interim solution while experimentation is trying to make progress.

Does Titan sound like Satan? To me that is not an exact rhyme for Titan really reminds me of the movie Titanic. I don't remember Titanic for its sinking, but I remember it most for the love in it and all of a sudden the song My Heart Will Always Go On, come to mind. I have changed the lyrics somehow and would like to dedicate this to Toyota UMW Malaysia and all TOCM members here. Let's enjoy it just for a laugh......

MY AVANZA WILL ALWAYS MOVE ON

Every night in my dreams
I see you. I feel you.
That's how Avanza should move on.

Come across the Titan
so precious, bewitch us
That's how Avanza should move on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the bounce just goes on
Once more you open the door
And Titan's here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

Blur can touch one's mind
but won't last a lifetime
And money let go till all 're gone

Love was when I see you
in my car I placed you
And Avanza always move on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the bounce now are gone
Once more you open the door
And you're here in my Vanza
And my Vanza will move on and on

You're here, there's nothing I fear,
And I know that my car will move on
We'll stay forever this way
I am safe with this coil spring
And my Vanza will go on and on

emmmm....emmmmm....emmmmmmmmmm

- Sang by Shilling Gone (Original Artist Celine Dion - all money spend liao...even shillings also gone)

And remember in the movie whereby the Hero said to the Heroine, "You jump, I jump" ?
Now we can say similar thing to our Avanza like a hero-hero talk to our babe, "You bounce, I lagi bounce."
Then if your passengers complaint or nag, just say to them, 'You bounce, I lagi bounce.'

So whatever solution you are going for, all the best to you. Meanwhile, if you are having this heart-break, express it here.

Adios my friends.
Cheers
PB. 


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PB. Posted: Jan 23 2006, 02:52 PM 

Group: AOCM Members
Posts: 162
Member No.: 128
Joined: 23-January 06

AND NOW......
They live happily ever after...
Finally, I am now satisfied and happy with the Avanza that I am having right now, this is only after the suspension configurations have been finalised.
I am now able to drive within acceptable tolerance and comfort and the most important thing.... this is still true when I am carrying 470 Kg (6 adults + 4 children + luggage) with me. I tried to drive at 130 km/hr (470 kg load) on North-South highway before I was down with chicken pox. I met quite a bump with no serious complaints from my passengers.

The followings are the configurations that I am having:
Titan suspensions (Front: Titan Spring and absorber. Rear: BWM 320i Spring and Titan absorber)
195/60/15 tyre
Ultra-Racing Stabiliser Bar
Bump Stop.

No thank to UMW, but my special thanks go to Eskay, Ocmax and SF-Blue for helping me with the above setup. I would like to dedicate the following song to all of you and all AOCM members. This is my version of Frank Sinatra's My Way. It is a very popular song but in case you don't know the tune, here is the midi instrumental of that song...you can right-click your mouse and save as before you play. Very small file. My Way.mid


MY WAY
And now the bounce has ceased
and so I'm glad
I'm so certain
My friend
I'll say it clear
I'll drive my car
with more confidence
I feel
just like sedan
I've travelled each
and every highway
without
UMW
I did it my way.

Regrets
I've had a few
but then again
no point to mention
because
they've always said
they broke the rule
including suspension
complaint
keep on make noise
you think can work?
don't waste your time
that's why
that's why I did,
I did it my way

Yes there were times
I'm sure you knew
felt like selling
at lower value
but I'm still in love
with my avanza
I got fed up
but I didn't give up
I faced it all
and I stood tall
and did it my way.

I've loved
I've laughed, I've cried,
I've had headache
felt like vomitting
and now as tears subside
I find it all
so amusing
to think
I did all that
and may I say
not in a shy way
oh no, not UMW
I did it my way.

For what is the use
that warranty
if it covers part
but not my butt
3 suffering years
boleh mati
I have no choice cannot wait lagi
you record lah I don't bother
THAT I DID IT MY WAY!!!! 


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PB. Posted: Jan 24 2006, 03:29 PM 

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This is my second day trying to familiarise myself with our new forum. So this is where most of the mods reside...finally I found them. 

Bro SF.Blue. I think you should try adding one thing, stabilise and then another if required. Before adding the rear ARB, did you already have a working suspension systems? You can consider other mods only after you are satisfied with this. Build up your business case when you want to purchase other mods. In that case your way would not be spread with charred money. 

Oh ! Well not to forget that particular evening I was at Mac Donald in Pandan Mewah with Eskay after my first Titan installation. He surely can remember I was telling him that I find the feeling of the car could still be better. We evaluated, analysed the solution and concluded. The next day I changed my stock tyre to a new profile 195/60/15. Immediately I felt the improvement and straight away I hit the highway back to JB.  Then another issue came haunting. I could not carry above average load. It was obvious the front spring cannot be used for rear (in my case). After our wise members in this forum announced the BMW spring, I really must thank Bro SF.Blue for getting me a set immediately. 

Then there was a bad body lateral roll after installing 320i which I posted in this forum. Following that I retuned my rear Titan abs. Then there is like what Eskay mentioned, some time needed to stabilise. I found the situation had improved after this and I later proceed with bump stop installation (thanks bro Ocmax for convincing me) acknowledging the load I sometimes carry with me.

That's how I DID IT MMMMYYYYYY WAAAYYYYYYY   
Without UMW but with helps from the great twin advisors (Ocmax and Eskay). 


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Just called Richard, it's already done.

You guys know what he did, he stiffen it !!   

The explaination he gave over the phone was that upon receipt, he simply press to test it.... and it's too soft to his opinion !!!       

Hack knows what had happen to the absorbers ??

So the guess could be that the absorbers loosen over the 2 days in KL, so when we 1st test without ARB and after that with ARB, it was good. Then on my journey back home the 1st hours was fine too, the problem only came after Aloh Gajah 

So the absorbers might have loosen on the NSE long journey  !@$#@%@!# 


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yup, I too surprised when ocmax sms me about another new settings.

Just for the infor of all existing Titan & potential users :

That the previous settings are not optimum for high-speed long journey, I had some "bumpy" experience on NSE when I drove back from KL. Ocmax experienced similar thing on his trip to north.

We need a setting that can handle load, with fair handling, as well as on high-speed over uneven road the car will not feel so bumpy. I seriously hope this setting is better (though might not be the last tune  ).

bro PB, we really need to meet up once I fix back mine, will contact you for that.

Stay tune 


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Ok, keep in touch then. 


oh....forgotten to tell you today... I have tested bro SF_blue abs........and is ooonly a little bit better then your setting.....So after my new setting today. I told Richard to do that for bro SF-Blue......

Until now....very good....smoother and more to comfort.......


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yup, I too surprised when ocmax sms me about another new settings.

Just for the infor of all existing Titan & potential users :

That the previous settings are not optimum for high-speed long journey, I had some "bumpy" experience on NSE when I drove back from KL.  Ocmax experienced similar thing on his trip to north.

We need a setting that can handle load, with fair handling, as well as on high-speed over uneven road the car will not feel so bumpy.  I seriously hope this setting is better (though might not be the last tune  ).

bro PB, we really need to meet up once I fix back mine, will contact you for that.

Stay tune


Yeap agree on that....on city drive.....is really good....no complain at all but come to speed driving on highways.....it cannot meet the re-laps rebouce, it cannot meet the timing of the 3rd, 4th, 5th wave impact from the road surface......thats why I when to see the doctor again......

This time the setting is totally difference......you will like it......

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What! I am already satisfied with mine and you say it can still be better?
If it can be better, then I think we are going for excellence level already.

Now confuse already. Maybe must give version number to our mod already.
The first time I went to Titan, that is Version 1.
2nd time (the last to me), that is Version 2.
Correct me if I am wrong, what we are saying here is SF.Blue's setting is Version 3 and mine is version 2.

Bro SF.Blue, must 





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oh....forgotten to tell you today... I have tested bro SF_blue abs........and is ooonly a little bit better then your setting.....So after my new setting today. I told Richard to do that for bro SF-Blue......


Until now....very good....smoother and more to comfort.......

Better and smoother on first stage compress and rebound, especially to the passenger you will feel more like sitting in a sedan car than Avanza.
Too bad I have to rush yesterday, will do it next week.

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KevinKM Posted on Feb 5 2006, 05:48 PM
hehehe, manage to tune after you guys left 5 minutes, well i can say this is much more better, more stable on wave roads...hehehe


oh....you missed this reply......


KevinKM is always coming out with poison version 10. I still cannot forget that Michael Jackson was singing to me for free when I was sitting in his car. The funny part, I didn't know where MJ was hiding in his car at that time.....maybe inside one of those boxes.....still don't know how he managed to breath alive. Wonder which other singer was hiding in his another box...Madona?

Anyway, this old man is still waiting for the time, the young and energetic young man bro SF.Blue trying to show off with his Version 3. Till then


bro pb, after tuning i felt it's much better more stable ^^
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PB's visit for Titan V3........  oopppps V4 
Thanks bro SK for the drink, bro kevin, bro ocmax for that small gathering.

Yes, the tuning of the Titan (V4) was done quiet quickly as they put more men to work on my car. V4? Yes, bro SF, I repeat one more time, V4 and not V3.....    You can't catch me, you can't catch me.

I departed from KL at about 9 pm. The driving was excellent. Yes, I was proved that I was wrong........V4 is better than V2. I really felt as if someone was pressing down my car so that the wheels were always on the ground. The ride was smooth and as I cruise at 120 km/hr, all the 8 passengers (4 adults +4 kids excluding myself) were sleeping well. My brother sitting beside me was snoring loud and no bump managed to wake him up.   

The ride was good that I felt like wanting to have a nap myself. So I increased the speed, cruishing at 160 km/hr, breaking my own top-speed personal record with Avanza. I really felt like driving a car.

I am about to go back home now, at this point of writing. Can't wait to drive my Avanza.....liow...   


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